by Paul Fischer in Los Angeles.
Kurt Russell Waterlogged
Kurt Russell is one of Hollywoods busiest actors and is more than happy to switch gears. Now hes starring in a studio blockbuster, a loose adaptation of The Poseidon Adventure, simply re-titled Poseidon. Following the same premise of both Paul Gallicos classic novel and the 1972 film, Russell plays an ex-fireman and politician, who is part of a small band of survivors who become trapped in an upside down ship on New Years Eve. As Russell explained to Paul Fischer, making this movie was not your typically glamorous Hollywood experience. Paul Fischer
: I heard you tried to take out Josh with your flashlight?Kurt Russell
: Yeah, I did. It was one of those things when we were under water. I didnt even know Id hit him. We came up and Josh was bleeding really profusely. I mean he was really bleeding. I was like "what happened to you?" I think you hit me with the flashlight. I was like, "Probably. I dont know."
[WARNING: SPOILER ALERTS COMING UP.]Paul Fischer
: What were your war stories?Kurt Russell
: Mine were from the sets themselves. I got an old kind of H-influenza, and I got a throat infection that the doctor didnt find the first time he looked for it so it just got worse and worse and worse, and then I really got sick. And, you know, because we just sort of kept going, and uh, I got pneumonia, but I was fortunate in that I had ten days off so I could get healthy to come back, and I was also fortunate in that all the underwater stuff that I had to do, I was in good shape for it. I was healthy for that. But for the first two and a half months of the movie it was just one thing after another. Id just get sick. As far as being banged up physically it wasnt that difficult of a show for me. I didnt have that much stuff to do other than the normal kind of stuff, but it was the underwater stuff that was psychologically difficult to do because once you went in there was no way out. You also didnt have goggles on so it was very difficult to see because of the lighting. And you were dependant on someone to swim in and give you air, underwater, and then they were going to have to lead you out.
Psychologically, thats difficult to put your trust in someone because by the time you reach the end, youre out of air. And especially for me in the drowning scene, I had to, I read about this from, actually, the Perfect Storm. Theres a chapter in The Perfect Storm on drowning, and types of drowning. And uh, because I wanted to sort of, I talked to Wolfgang and said, "Id like to do this sort of - what I consider in The Bridge Over the River Kwai type of thing, you dont know if he dies and then hits this button or if he in his final dying - Id like to sort of put in right in the middle there, but its going to take time". And Wolfgang said, Yeah, Id like to do that. Thatd be great. And so the difficulty there is that the time that that takes to do - to swim into the room, look for the stuff, start to - you have to pass out sort of first.
You have to pass out before you drown, in that type of scenario, in that kind of a drowning. And when you pass out then you suck air and then you begin to drown, which takes you into a different kind of zone, chemically. And then finally youre kind of euphoric, but dead. (LAUGHTER) I was reading about this and I said, I want to do this right. And Wolfgang liked the idea of doing it this way, and he said it would take some time, but anyway the point is that I had to say to the guy that was coming in to give me air, I said, Look. Im going to have to get to this point where Im just floating, after Ive done this, and we need enough time to know that Im in fact for sure dead. But I said I dont know what its going to be like. So I said this is going to depend on you. I said when it looks really wrong to you then you have to come in and give me air. Because Im not going to do anything here. Im not going to stop this process until it might be too late for me to stop it. I might pass out. If I pass out and start sucking air in its too late. Ive drowned. So I said I dont want to get that far, obviously, but I would like to be right on that edge and so this guy was, I thought he was very sharp. And he said I understand you. I said, so can we go up to this way? And he said Ill be there. Ill be there. And we did it a couple of times and one of the times I got the air, and by the time I got the air it was weird because I didnt really know where I was, I felt his arm on me and he was hitting that regulator so I was getting air. For a period of time, I dont know how long, it was kind of weird.
The next thing I knew he was pulling me up, and then I was kind of aware of where we were. And I came up and Wolfgang walked in and was going Oh my God. So I said, Well, I guess we got it. (Laughter) I was glad to be done with it, but it was one of those things. There are certain reasons you do movies. One of them for me - was there were really two main things - Wolfgang Petersen, I thought was an interesting man and Id like to work with him, and he was putting us in the sort of - he called it his third of a trilogy of water movies. And he explained to me how he felt this was the third in line and this is what he wanted to do. And I said great, Id like to be a part of that. And the other thing was I wanted to drown. I wanted to drown right. Paul Fischer
: You didnt care or see this as a remake of a 70s classic?Kurt Russell
: No. I think that to be honest with you, there are lots of movies that I wouldnt want to be a part of doing any sort of second version of or remake of or whatever. This is quite different than the first, obviously. And when you see the movie you see why its different. I dont look at the Poseidon Adventure to me is an untouchable movie. Its not Casablanca. But it is in a genre, its a classic picture in a genre and its fun to sort of pretend that these movies that are in a zone that are like fantastic. Its not. It was the first of its kind and this is Wolfgang Petersens version, so if you can do Mutiny on the Bounty three times, you can do Poseidon. Paul Fischer
: When you have the big explosions and big sets, are you being upstaged by the stage?Kurt Russell
: Im not that kind of an actor. Im just not that, - thats not how I made my living. I didnt really understand that point of view until I did a play. I did one play. And it was an interesting experience because I understood where the actors ego came from. And it came from that need to stand out there at the end of the play and hear the audience applaud. I dont have that. Its not in my genes. I didnt grow up that way. I grew up making money making movies - making a story. I like making a story. I like playing characters. I dont care about the applause. Its just something that never - it didnt happen to me when I was - I didnt start out that way. So my egos different. It may be just as large, but its different. So I look at just the show. Whats the show about? What kind of show are we doing? Now, if Im doing Dreamer, I understand what that is. I understand where the pressure lies, or the importance of, the value of the actor. If Im doing Dark Blue, I understand that. If Im doing Escape from New York, I understand that. If Im doing Tango and Cash I understand who Im making the movie for. Its for 15 year old boys. Lets make it for them. If youre doing Poseidon, if youre doing Backdraft, if youre doing other big movies that have a lot of activity in them you work with it. And yes, its an advantage, especially in this situation to have it live, and not have it be CGI - be in it and doing it. And I think what you try to do is be as good a part of that as you can be to help tell the story that that director wants to tell. And you make the decision to go do the movie. Once you make the decision to go do the movie, you go do that movie, you dont regret making decisions because its not because oh gee. Im not getting to do what I wanted to do in this movie. Talk that out beforehand. So I understand the question. Its a fair question. And I thing that for a lot of people it probably is difficult because its not the world they came from, but it is the world they came from. So Ive always thought that I dont care how the audience gets the experience of getting their moneys worth in a show, just whatever youre going to do, whatever your part is in helping bring that about, do that to the best of your ability.Paul Fischer
: Besides drowning, how does Robert Ramsey stack up to some of the other iconic heroes that youve played?Kurt Russell
: Ummmmmm. Not very good. I mean I dont think hes a particularly, I think that outside of drowning I dont really care. (Laughter) I think hes looking for his daughter and hes a man whos got a past. I think you find out little bits about this guy. His attitude during the celebration of New Years you can tell his wife and he was a big deal. Obviously when the guy says you didnt even make the whole load on New York. Whatever it was, when you were mayor. You were the big man and you quit or whatever. I dont know what it was from. Theres a bit of a mystery there. And so thats what that is. Its a bit of a mystery. And then he drowns. Paul Fischer
: Is there any sequel youd like to see made of your films?Kurt Russell
: No. I only did one sequel. We did Escape from LA. We did it seventeen years after we did the original. I wanted to do it because I wanted to have the fun of later on looking at me do this part, where you put these movies back to back and youre just looking at pretty much the same character, but Im seventeen years older but Snakes not. I get a kick out of that. That was John Carpenter and so that was a lot of fun. But no, Im not much on sequels. Im not much on remakes for the most part. I dont really like or dislike them. I think that if you read a good script or if theres a director you want to work with in this case, that was the thing for me. I really wanted to work with Wolfgang. Paul Fischer
: Was your wife supportive of you doing this?Kurt Russell
: She never read it. She doesnt know what its about. That will be a surprise for her. I dont think she knows that I drown in this. Paul Fischer
: Your character in Stargate went on to be in the longest running SCI Fi show in TV. Do you ever think that a TV series is something youd like to do in the future?Kurt Russell
: No. I did three television series. Theyre hard work. They are very frustrating in many different ways. Theyre a great place to go to work and make money as an actor. I say that not frivolously. Its not easy to make a living as an actor. People hear me say that and they look at that, they put it into a zone of he just works for money. Yeah I do. What do you do? Do you do this for free? Would you do this for free? Five years of listening to this shit for free? (Laughter) You have to work. Its not easy making money as an actor. Its just not an easy thing to do. Theres so many that want to do it and so few opportunities to do it that its not as easy as it would seem. Paul Fischer
: What are you doing next?Kurt Russell
: No idea. No idea.